The Swallowing the Camel Comment Hall of Fame

A friend recently inspired me to gather up some of the funniest, weirdest, creepiest comments I’ve received at this blog and at Leaving Alex Jonestown over the years.
Aside from some necessary minor adjustments (abridgement, clarification, punctuation, etc.), the comments below have not been altered. The original spelling, cusswords and grammatical errors remain intact.

Keep in mind, as you read, that I am religiously unaffiliated, do not accept donations to this or any other blog, and have not endorsed any political figure or agenda in any of my posts.
When I started this blog back in…2006?…I was, indeed, a housewife with stepkids. I was also a volunteer and an avid reader. As is still true today, I didn’t watch television. I was and remain a vegetarian who likes to eat simple, natural foods.
I have since returned to school as planned, and am working toward a legal career. So for everyone who said I sat around watching Oprah and eating junk food: Screw yourselves.
I’m cool with being called a mass-murdering New Order shill, but you do not accuse me of watching Oprah.

To the rest of you: Happiest New Year!

from “goodguy”: “Now why is there people name calling David Duke a ‘racist’ when clearly he’s not, perhaps it’s left-wing/communist whites, who knows?
I think David Duke is ok he’s just not as good as Kevin Macdonald though.Alex Jones is clearly a liar connected with zionists so don’t fall for his tricks.”

from “true_believing_martian”: “You dismiss the Martian colony out of hand, but you were never there!
I travelled there multiple times through Astral Projection and saw Russians, Chinese and Americans working together.
Perhaps you should do some more research and do some Astral Travelling of your own before you make fun of the most successful conspiracy to date.”

from “Honk Bonk Man”: “Well, this Illuminati lunacy is mainly created by Jews, old hippies from the 60’s that cooked their brains in LSD. Jews always find a way to make a buck out of anything. It is hard to believe that anyone would take these kind of conspiracies serious. Jews are the master of diception. I bet all these conspiracies publishing houses are owned by Jews.”

“I just found your blog while google image searching ‘nazi zombies’ for source material for some douche bag’s tattoo. Shit goddamn! You’re as funny as Alex Jones is dangerous to the gullible.”

“GEORGE BUSH IF YOUR READING I THINK YOUR A CUNT, MY SISTER COULD RUN THE COUNTRY BETTER AND SHES 4 AND A HALF. YOU HAVE THE BRAIN SPAN OF A FISH. OH AND ANY OTHER SECRET AGENTS READING, YOU ARE ALSO CUNTS. good day.”

“oh guys the info is taken out of context. do your research. be intelligent. you cannot exactly dismiss everything [Kurt] Koch said. I dont believe in the boodie man but have seen with my own eyes many things demonic. what makes ghost hunters so popular today on the T.v.??? How about celebrity ghost stories? Are they alll bonked as well? If your going to discredit some one read their work in full. Any one can debunk some one by taking one statement out of context and leading their reader to their conclusion. Verbal manipulation is not a magic trick afterall.”

from Cheryl Meril: “How sad that you view Obama as legitimate and Alex Jones full of nonsense. You’re pure evil. Obama supports out of womb infanticide and that doesn’t bother you among the hoards of things he’s doing to our country to destroy it? You’re totally absurd to be supporting Obama. I won’t waste another minute on your blog.”

“Doweenkies have taken over S, Calif. Puffy waffy’s must be dispatched “forth with” ….. Ownllyy they can pr0tect the Logical’s from a fate werser then bowing bowing …..yep!”

from “Raju”: “WHAT ALL BILL [Schnoebelen] SAID WAS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. ONLY A PERSON WHO DOEST’NT KNOW THE POWER OF WITCHCRAFT OR A PERSON WHO WANT TO TRAP INNOCENT PEOPLE WILL DENY THIS. What all he said is prevalent in Asia since centuries.”

“Dear me, how intellectual you all sound! (Except for the one person who is willing to admit to the possible existence of real psychic phenomena.) I might sound the same, were it not for the strange occurrences that took place in my own family some years back. If you’ve never had first-hand experience with some of these occultic uglies, you can be happy for it. I can tell you, however, that they can be most unpleasant. We are grateful for those kind people who helped us recognize those things for what they were, and who also taught us how to be free and how to stay free from them. Ignorance is not always bliss.”

“You are a fine upstanding mormon, helping them to achieve their goals for world domination, and lull the public into believing they never killed kids in Mountain Meadows. “

“Also, I am doubtful of a person’s relationship with Christ who continues to use profanity like I have seen in your posts! Out of the same spring, bitter and sweet water cannot come..neither from the heart cursings and blessings! Just saying…”

from “Miki”: “The biggest danger for me when leaving [Satanism] was not a bunch of satanists that I was leaving but local Christians. I have been bullied, blackmailed and stalked by Christians at various Churches and one lady tried to set me alight during a Church service and no-one tried to stop her.”

“Well, first of all Mormons are god seekers and god makers. They are an occult organisation bar none. This is who you get with Mitt Romney. A secret society of witches who’s creed is to behead all none believers just as the Muslims believe and do.”

about the Paul is Dead hoax: “Even if William Campbell didn’t win this contest, they MI5 plotters behind this cover up would have found a man who looked very much like Paul McCartney, so regardless… the replacements actual children could very well look like the real Paul. I think the best and easiest way to disprove this matter from being a ‘hoax’ is to have the current Paul/Faul McCartney thoroughly medically examined by various top-of-their-field medical experts from different regions of the world…”

“Jimmy J farmeth is a good 10 year old boy everliving flesh non robot. negress want a time portal to erase his genetics from hister y all kinds of beam weoponsd a poltergiest that could kill 9 people 9 people, some kind of raybeam that makes everyhting thousends below farenhite temp used on his matreess white boys are life force not scum. they amade hundred of holograms in his path of strength bot the home and school where he was at to leave his essense without a breath oxy gen breathers like jimmy J are life force he only had 5 minute dreams of floating every seven hours eyes closed, everything in this hounting is speedid up so 5 seconds is 20 minutes including the tv and radio”

from “East Coast Info Warriors”: “If you find it is to much to fathom that the country of Canada is filled with Tyranny, you should read more news papers and not believe everything that oblong box in the corner of your home tells you is real. I am just trying to help you break away from the brainwashing, that the schools, the government and so many others have apparently achieved. Chem-Trails 2012 Composed of Barium and Aluminum Phosphate (Main stream media confirmed) Monsanto 2012 Genetically Modified beef, Poultry and vegetables…”

“The Roman Constantine Pedophile Catholic Cult has nothing in common with Jesus of Nazareth & His Gospel! GET IT?
Now Google www.tridentinum.com and see what it takes to dress the Papacy, remembering what Jesus said about, ‘Foxes have holes……,but I the Son of Man have nowhere to lay my head.’

from someone claiming to be Fredric Bourdin: “Tapazole, come and try to kill me whore, I fuck your family and your mother is my bitch, how about that, I live in ‘Le Mans’, please come, so easy for you behind a computer screen to play tough guy :))) and fuck your fucking US beheaded dead army. Remember to ask your mum why she sucked so hard the cock!!!”

from Dave in Queens (“Socrates”): “You’re a bit late to the chemtrail show. Too bad you’re a predictable know-it-all idiot taking the easy way out in your debunking. I did notice one lie while skimming. There does need to be about 60-70% relative humidity to account for certain events. So when you push 10% being all that’s needed, you are flat out wrong. I emailed with Patrick Minnis of NASA. He said radiosondes can give false readings. Yet here you are moving the goal posts. Since you are late to game and regurgitating nothing new while debunking nothing from my website All Aircraft Are Not Involved, I will not be coming back to see if you respond. To repeat, you are a pompous, predictable debunker leaching off of obvious strawman arguments. You should do something about that authoritarian personality disorder you are suffering.”

“I gave up all hope on every seeing my feet again until my friend took me for a spa day… After a 30 minute massage and an ionic foot bath I felt amazing. I returned once a week for 4 weeks and have lost 28 pounds and I eat so much more food (now that I’m hungry again). I eat pizza junk food soda and I drink alcohol and I’m still losing fat. I still don’t exercise. I have seen a huge difference in my bowel movements now…they’re normal! Call it what out will but it works for me when nothing else did.”

“This is the letter i writed to Lenon Honor: Good morning Lenon, i’m one of your former follower. I used to like what you produce like documentaries. You contribuited to open my eyes about what really happens in the spiritual world. BUT… there’s a big BUT! You deny Jesus Christ as the savior of humanity. Let me tell you something, whatever you do, if you don’t confess Jesus-Christ as your saviour, you are just making your path straight to hell. Dear Lenon, you’re an antichrist, i’m sorry to tell you that truth…
Then, you practice demonic arts like Reiki, Transcendental meditation which allows you to bring demons into your body, doing so you’re deceived by these spirits who give you a false sense of security and peace…
You’ll soonly see a video about you on youtube, i’ll warn christians and other to not follow your teachings, because you got a poison inside you. Repent before it’s too late brother! See you soon! I repeat : Repent before it’s to late for you and your family in front of the true God, father of Jesus-Christ!”

“Since you are adamant that your facts of the Lauren Stratford case are accurate, is debunking all you do on this blog. Certainly Satanism exist, only an ignorant fool would say that it did not. Have you never had a case that WAS true? I would find that as hard to believe as you do Lauren’s book. So here’s a challenge for you S.M.Elliot. Research and tell us a story that you found to be TRUE. For there must be some out there somewhere. Then it will not appear that you are simply trying to cover us what could be the most horrendous crimes known to mankind.”

“You say Catholics cannot be Freemasons. I know for a fact that is not true from personal experience with a group of professionals (medical) who were all Catholics & they all were Masons. Not only that, but the head honcho doc in the office was prez of the local ‘Catholic Medical Association.’ After noticing several Masonic clues around the offices, I flat out asked them if they were Freemasons which they readily affirmed, ‘Yes! How did you know'” Reply: ‘Because of that cartoon there on your wall.’ (Masonic cartoon re ‘midnight raids.’) He: ‘Ohhhh, yeah.’ Me: ‘Dr. xxx says you guys know all about the New World Order.’ He: (freaking) ‘HE TOLD YOU THAT?????’ Me: ‘Yes, why?’ (why was this guy so surprised? I had flat out asked the head honcho doc previously if he was aware of the NWO, & he did not hesitate at all but said, ‘OH YES, We are VERY WELL AWARE of the New World Order!’) From then on I started taking printouts to them of Historic Masonic Quotes FROM THEIR OWN LITERATURE proving Freemasonry is Luciferianism based on the Jewish Kabbalah, quotes by Manly P Hall, Pike, Rabbi Weiss (founder of Reformed Judaism), etc. etc. can’t remember them all now. Some time goes by & I revisit & the nurses tell me the one doc (who freaked) had up & left town & moved away. Hmmm.”

“Am I as a reader being forced into off the wall assumptions about your disappearance, such as the idea that the motivation behind creating LEAVING ALEX JONESTOWN was a result of a Rockefeller mind control program designed to smear the good name of Alex Jones? Have you just woken up from being a pawn of Rockefeller thanks to Jones uncovering this malfeasance, and wonder where the hell you’ve been, and why you’ve been writing two blogs?
Should I be making infowars aware of this possibility? It would sure make for a swell story over there.”

“I apologize if the previous comment seemed too harsh. In truth, your blogs are well written and quite informative, and it was rude to call you a statist troll. I still dislike your blogs (especially the Alex Jones one), but there was no need for me to be rude about it. If the comment offended you, I apologize.”

from Greg Bucceroni: “FYI I disassociated myself from Richie Kuklinski [“the Ice Man”] back in 1982 after I was warned that Roy DeMeo wanted Kuklinski to kill me after I complained about child pornography and child snuff films that we were trafficking from New York City to Philadelphia. As a victim of child sex trafficking and abuse I wanted no criminal part in trafficking kiddie porn and I made a big fuss about it which got Roy DeMeo pissed off at me. It was the big fuss that I initiated that eventually got Roy DeMeo murdered 1983 that also eventually gave John Gotti another excuse to murder Paul Castellano and Robert ‘DB’ DiBernardo during the rise of the John Gotti era for which I was not a part of.”

from Dale Larner: “Thanks for the inclusion of Vincent Alias Jack in your list. There will be another list some day soon, but with only one on the list, and it will be Van Gogh. He was the killer, and the evidence proves it. The website is only a small taste of what is presented in the book. Something important to understand that helps dispel the disbelief—Vincent was a nobody during his life. He blended in well with the East End crowd.
Vincent van Gogh was Jack the Ripper.”

“Boston is proof of cover up. There is too much evidence and too many fake, bloodless victims. You have to keep your eyes closed not to see it on purpose, and that is the right of those who don’t want to know. Hell, I wish I didn’t know sometimes too. It’s a difficult thing to come to terms with a world playing by a different set of rules. I will only say the time is rapidly approaching when knowledge is going to be a key to survival. Those who place their faith and trust in the official narrative… well, God help them.”

“Yeh there must be some really stupid people out there but I have to say this going to the moon thing bothers me. A friend of mine who knows someone REALLY important in NASA says that by pretending that the world is not flat they will still get their funding. Far fetched, but think about it…we only have their word. And then there’s the John lennon thing …”

“There is a worldwide depopulation effort going on. Everything that sounds strange is not a conspiracy theory. It just means you are too stupid to know the difference. 9/11 was a false flag and anyone with half a brain that has seen the evidence agrees. Get a grip on reality. The elite don’t care if you and your families die. They want complete control of everything and they are going to get it with all these conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories.”

“It sounds to me, tshsmom, as if you and sme have set up this blog for the exclusive purpose of scoffing at persons who are being subjected to organized stalking and electronic harassment.”

“Your entire view on the twin towers and WTC 7 is EPIC FAIL. Stored and kinetic energy are equal. The buildings cannot fail in this manner and with this speed without assistance.Here in Sweden, this is taught in school when you are 14-15 years old (kinetic and stored/potential energy). Congratulations. You’ve destroyed your entire 9/11-section and for that matter much of the rest of your blog by failing to apply one of the most basic principles of physics.”

“You are an idiot at best. That is why you’re a housewife. But maybe you’re right, let’s just stay in denial about reality, even though everything is documented. It is so much easier to keep shopping, watch TV, and go back to sleep…What a bunch of fools. At some point though you’ll be forced to wake up. And you’ll e begging your leaders for help, but it’s not going to come.”

“You can believe or not but I knew lots of info that Dr. Deagles said and proofed. After I saw his interwies I just can’t beleive that there are more people that know all those facts. You just don’t know and you try to deny it. At first read the Bible, but i’m sure that you just don’t understand what is written there becouse it’s written ‘That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them’ You can believe what you want to beleive but I know in whom I believe.”

“I agree with much of what you have said SME, however I know from my own experience that we humans are evolving and are capable of abilities that the average person is not. I am 54 years old so I am no Indigo Child, but over the past 5 years I have discovered that I am capable of thought transfer/telepathy. I have picked up the thoughts of people around me and I have discovered that I can also send my thoughts to other people. When this happens, I respond verbally to people who I have picked up their thoughts. It blows their mind because they did not verbally speak a word to me.”

From LikaValentino: “You are carrying as posting my name on your site, so a federal complaint has been filed against you.. by me…, and than next time pay close attention to my age in the picture on the site and my name with that face should not have been placed on your 30ish age site with no name…, you heard it correctly on the state of an address to the Nations…, you should have done your homework also in addition before you spoke of me by illegal use of my name on your site…,”

My reply to LikaValentino: “Pleasing to learn of the some of the England language before the time you have of complaining. My understanding of the words of which you have write is difficult.Also to learn of law, for which the posting of names and the linking of sites is not incorrect in the law.”

“What a Bullshit of story, desperate Canadian Housewife! ^^Bob Lazar is no hoaxer.”

“Bruce [Goldberg] is a fake because he claims to have tele ported to a tropical beach and back on the art bell coast to coast show when asked to come here in Thailand for a seminar we are paying 30,000 dollars U.S he said the flight will be expensive we said what BETTER WAY TO PROVE YOUR THESIS ON TELE PORTATION than to tele port here and save the flight cost and as he is a true fake he declined these little Jewish money grabbers have no limits as to what they will go to get money and the gullible Americans lap it up like a thirsty cat presented with a plate of milk NO WONDER AMERICA IS IN SUCH DEEP SH*T”

“Keep reinforcing each others pseudointellectual analysis of affairs from your skeptical ‘common sense’ point of view. Don’t worry, the US isn’t being destroyed from the top down. The Protocols aren’t happening word for word and International Banking, who’s members don’t worship the same deity you do want whats best for you. Your the ones that will hit the fan first, because you remind me of the people who laughed at the Peter Schiffs of the world in early ’08.”

from “Shecky blue”: “hey fuckface since when do buildings being on fire make them fall down? you fucking piece of slimeat least the fuckers who did it got money and the US military duped what do you get out of it? a smirk on your face as you mentally masturbate yourself? you probably get the same smirk when you count past four go fukk yourself”

“Such a blatant display of guilt by association. You imply that since Mr. [Ahmadinejad] wears a Walmart jacket all the time (plus his other rep and image issues), then the 9-11 truth movements is nuts.”

“Now as far as the silly comments you made in regards to Chem-Trails, at this time September 11, 2012 I would like to give you the opportunity to retract your statements. As maybe, when you posted it the main stream media was not reporting on it. (and not in the ha ha sense.) If you find it is to much to fathom that the country of Canada is filled with Tyranny,you should read more news papers and not believe everything that oblong box in the corner of your home tells you is real. I am just trying to help you break away from the brainwashing, that the schools, the government and so many others have apparently achieved.”

from Minister Dante Fortson: “I find it interesting that you would write a post about the Nephilim while admitting that you didn’t even pay attention to the radio show. As the lady above stated, you should do some research. The Nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels and human women. The church completely changed the teaching on this in the 3rd Century. It’s historical fact, not something made up.”

On the Paul is Dead hoax: “This theory makes sense on so many levels, and IT FEELS RIGHT ON, and single-handedly EXPLAINS SO MUCH WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY A MYSTERY, that essentially, it must be true…so, though it is irritating for people to want to make a profit off of such a tragic tale, and further complicate matters by blatantly lying, it is a good thing that this theory / fact is being brought to more and more peoples’ attention. I want to know the Truth. And if this is true, it means that Faul, and George, and Ringo, and George Martin, and Mal, and Neil, and whoever, and JOHN, ARE ALL LIKE JUDAS.” 

“One person commented that McCartney’s children look a lot like him, so does that mean they had plastic surgery as well??? To Answer that question: no you f@$%*^g moron, Faul/aka William Campbell did win the look alike contest, so that shows he had enough naturally born physical features to closely resemble the original/real Paul McCartney, and therefore if he had children they could very well look similar to their father, just like their father looked when compared to the real Paul.”

“This is the biggest bunch of lies on someone I have ever seen .. Don’t believe this .. They are devils..Even if he is a wacko you are spreading false info on here . Freemasons come on do your research . They are Not good people .. You are a Liar you have no facts to back up this information.. Your attacking the messenger .. Listen to the message .. The Satanist Devil Worshiping Gnostic Anti_ Christ God Men Are Real They hate Any one who exposes there Lies They will kill anyone in there way.”

“Now I KNOW for sure you’re just like that idiot QuackWatch guy. What do you know about fasting? Zilch, obviously, from your ignorant comment re 40-day fasts. It is NOT dangerous & people do it all the time (water only fasting). ..Seriously, you really should keep your opinions to subjects you actually know something about. Otherwise, you come across as an ignorant dummie. Are you one of those meat & potatoes gals who thinks they will die without 3 square meals a day? You’ve got a lot to learn Missy.”

from Ed Chiarini: “AGAIN, just like every other time you attempt to tell your readers my position, you miss quote and misrepresent along with just plain out fabricate your content. On top of that you dont even offer links to THE REAL evidence that I present on Wellaware1.com. But thats what you anonyPUSS frauds do. You dont have the balls to use your real name and stand behind what you believe because you dont believe it you are told what to write by the rest of your Greenberg family members. I piss on your site, and if you had any bit of intestinal fortitude to stand by your words, you too.”

“Well, first of all Mormons are god seekers and god makers . They are an occult organisation bar none. This is who you get with Mitt Romney. A secret society of witches who’s creed is to behead all none believers just as the Muslims believe and do.”

“Typical someone EXPOSING darkness & someone sent to defend it & say that the person is lying crazy absurd & so on!!! That’s how the illuminati work they do that to plenty ppl before they kill them that are exposing their evil plans! But the reason those ppl die is because they aren’t saved.”

“Since I don’t know [Stephen] Dollins personally I can’t say the accuracy of what he is saying but I can confirm that Christians hold great power in the blood and name of Jesus. I was once trying to do a seance at my birthday party and I couldn’t because there was a Christian praying against it. I can also back up his claims about fairies since a girl came to school one day to to teach on Wicca and she shared that fairies were used for their practices. You can bury your head in a hole but the truth is witchcraft is real but Jesus’ power is stronger so I serve Him.”

“I agree with the previous ‘anonymous’. I once invoked a third level demon to help me levitate, but I didn’t know there was a religious leaflet on my doorstep.The power of that leaflet was so great that I couldn’t lift off.”

“Actually Harry Potter’s life mirrors that of satanist Aleister Crowley quite a bit. also the author admits that she got all the characters automatically out of knowhere (aka similar to automatic writing) occultism is satanic and that’s it..and anything that deals with supernatural and magic can get kids interested in witchcraft at a young age…even if it take a while before they experiment; it’s still planting the seed. Far from harmless…”

“No their right in front of us discription reptilian like humanoids ( snake like) human that acts like snake but brain washing and hyptnotizing that’s not illuminati thats government and politics and the church. For the people by the people if you dont do what they want they lock you up. Come on overnight new laws for real and when was the vote here in my City they’ve decided to build a customs office and no one voted for it. Guess what its not jobs for us there givin them go the foriegners and we are no where near a border. There opening a super highway. We have to pay tbe taces [the taxes?] for this custom office here on Kansas City and we didnt even get to vote.”

“Alex Jones pushed the TSA issue until the Drudge Report picked up the story- now its everywhere. Hooray!
Those pervs at TSA and higher up need to be removed. Jones aims the infogun and here someone tries to knock it out of his hand. Down with TSA naked body scanners. This is just an attempt to break our will. Saviour Jones beats up on the molester gang, if you are against him you are for the perverts, if one had been wildly successful awhile back and knocked Jones down then the TSA thuggery would be marching on largely unopposed, we might win due to Jones and despite you. Shame on you TSA enabler. 
They cant make us safe – five or six jujitsu kung fu terrorists can take a plane with just their bare hands”

“Jones battles the gate-rapers and shredders of Posse Comitatus, while you cherry pick him, thus you are a gate raping enabler.”

from “PilotDave”: “There is way too much evidence of a global takeover than a FEMA camp… even without the FEMA camps, tons of folks, not Alex Jones are catching on to HAARP and Chemtrails… without being in anyway involved with any Alex Jones information. 
So enjoy the aluminum oxide… as a pilot, I see it occasionally.
Thank you for your non-chalante and humorous attitude to the horrible things that are happening to our plaent and species. 
Enjoy your stem cell meat!”

from Sakeeta Rosen: “You are so wrong about everything. you stupid sheep will never wake up. Why would the cartoonist be thrown in jail, when the court system is just as corrupt? They are the ones helping cover everything up.
You are so stupid. The president is part of it, the media is part of it, all celebrities are part of it, all government people are part of it, all doctors, all dentists, all police. EVERYONE
when will you all fucking get that? OH you wont. Maybe you will when FEMA takes your pathetic asses.”

“adam lanza is not dead. cause he never existed. he’s the brother ryan. they took photo of ryan and like photoshopped it a bit to look like an insane man or some kid.
these guys love using doubles, they love playing ‘dress up’ and they can’t fool people.”

from “Shawmick”: “How many sheeples surf the internet? I think almost 70% of internet viewers are sheeples. Every genuine UFO disclosure evidence/video will have a profusion of profane comments of disbelievers. How to make them believe? I think their great grand-children will make them believe (the hard way).”

Ed Chiarini again: “Do you think you are the first to attempt to call me a liable name? 
You are nothing more then the toilet paper I wipe my ass with then flush along with the rest of those I ate for breakfast.
You game, or are you just another road hump? burp.”

from “Newspaceman”: “Once you have read [James Shelby Downard’s “King Kill 33º”]…what do you make of Prince Harry visiting Hurricane Sandy’s remains today, whilst David Cameron (British Prime Minister) visits Boston. Given today, May 14th, is the anniversary of the founding of Jamestown – the first UK colony in the USA, named after James 1st (and 6th of Scotland) – the Bible reviser? (I can expand, being Scottish)”

from “Sherlock”: “Too many paid government shill confuse-bots posting in this thread.”